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From: Smhscoach@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 03:16:24 EDT
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Ken, here is the mail I want you to send to all umpires.  I very much 
appreciate this since I don't have the capability to send this to officials.

To all AIA softball umpires:
There will be a meeting for AIA softball officials on Thursday June 1st at 
6:00 pm at St. Mary's  H.S. room 17 (middle building on campus).  The Region 
II Board is having this meeting to hear your concerns over the last softball 
season.  We would like your feedback, positive or negative.  As we understand 
there are many officials who are irate over the post season assignments.  Now 
is the time to bring your concerns to the board and WE PROMISE YOU THAT THEY 
WILL BE TAKEN TO THE OFFICE AND WE WILL GET AN ANSWER FOR ALL OF YOU.  Please 
try to make this meeting as it will  be beneficial to all of you and AIA 
softball.
If you have any questions or need further information, please feel free to 
contact the members of the board or your area representatives. Board members, 
Geri Magwire, Jerry Baca, Bob Bechtold, Mary Rose Redding, Greg Anderson.  
Area Representatives, Sam Webster, Bob Ysenski, Walt Contreras, Tim Cooper, 
Mike Gump, Emily Alexander, Doug Fry, Susan Hughes, Pete Long, Rich Raymond, 
Mary Rose Redding and Bill Silcott. We would also like to let you know that 
Emily and Marty Makar are working the College Softball World Series at the 
present time. 



Sincerely,

Greg Anderson
Region II Softball Board

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From umpire Fri May 26 19:21:38 2000
To: Smhscoach@aol.com
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Greg,

Ken forwarded your email to me regarding the meeting on 1 June.
I was wondering if you think any good would come of it if one or
two of us Tucson guys (Region I) on the Board came to the meeting.
We're pretty steamed, at least as steamed as you guys, about
the situation this year, but have no planned activity to deal
with it.

If some of us driving to Phoenix would prevent a repeat, I'll
spread the word and get a carload together.

Bob Marcialis
umpire@LPL.arizona.edu
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~umpire/softball/aiasoftball.html


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From umpire Fri May 26 19:25:52 2000
To: cactusump@home.com (Emily Alexander)
Subject: AIA softball meeting
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Em,

I got a copy of Greg Anderson's call for a meeting to discuss what
the hell went on with playoffs this year. The Tucson guys are at
least as steamed as all of you in Region II. Do you think I should
try to get a carload of us to come to the meeting, or would it be
a waste of time? In other words, would a Tucson presence do
anything to prevent a repeat of the goings-on this year, or are
we spinning our wheels.

Have fun at the CWS!

Bob Marcialis


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From umpire Sun May 28 10:01:04 2000
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    umpnwilly@aol.com
    Subject: AIA Softball gripe meeting
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Guys,

Got email from Greg Anderson in Phoenix. The boys up there are
having a meeting this Thursday night to discuss the shit that went
on this year at the AIA State tourney. I asked them if a Tucson
presence might consolidate umpires' gripes State-wide. He thinks
it's a great idea.

If we can get a carload of Tucson folks, I'm willing to drive
up to the meeting. Please let me know if you're interested.
I am attaching the details. If you cannot make the meeting,
can you recommend someone else who might be interested?

Thanks,

Bob Marcialis


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From: Smhscoach@aol.com
Full-name: Smhscoach (Greg Anderson)

Bob, I think that would be a great idea. Your input would be greatly 
appreciated.  Have your people put in writing their concerns or any problems 
that they have encountered.  St. Mary's is located at 2525 N. 3rd St., take 
freeway to 7th St. exit and go North and turn left on Sheridan (Sheridan is 
about  7-8 blocks North of McDowell) if you get to Virginia St. you have gone 
one block too far North.  Hope to see you guys at the meeting and maybe we 
can get some things resolved.  Thanks Bob,

Sincerely, 
Greg


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From cactusump@home.com Tue May 30 10:32:59 2000
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:33:21 -0700
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[stuff deleted]

But now...back to the real world. Yes! I think a carload of Tucson
umpires would be a strong force. Encourage anyone to come. We must
define out gripes, propose a solution and be united in what we will or
will not accept.

I have not been in on the organizing of all this but of course have been
hearing the rumblings. I am glad others are stepping to the plate and
not waiting for me to do something. I will support the umpires but want
organization and unity. Self serving rabble rousing will not get it. I
think we can be effective. I can easily work freshman games for three
schools close to me every day of the week for more money...and will
gladly do it for our cause.

Put together your concerns and solutions for when you get here.
Hope to see you.
Emily
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Cactus Umpires - Metro Phoenix ASA


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From cactusump@home.com Tue May 30 12:08:11 2000
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:08:46 -0700
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Bob,
I personally do not think much will change as long as Reigar is there
either. He will find a way to circumvent the rules, bylaws or whatever.
Slemmer has not been the ally we thought he might be but maybe he is
still "hiding and watching".

That is why it is so important that we are unified. We could demand his
removal or we walk. 50% of the Certifieds (including the 'top' ones)
leaving will send the message. A handful taking a stand while the others
renege will not get it and only hurt the handful

'They' have alot of 'dirt' on him as well as specific instances of
ignoring the bylaws and handbook and, of course, just his method of
operation. I do not have a personal axe to grind but do object to his
treatment and attitude for others and will support a genuine effort. My
fear is just the apathy you mention. Everyone bitches and moans but no
one wants to do anything. To this, I say, 'shut up and take what you
get.'

[stuff deleted]

Emily
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Cactus Umpires - Metro Phoenix ASA
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From umpire Tue May 30 11:21:47 2000
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Emily,

I'm having trouble finding anyone who is willing to take the
time to go to Phoenix for the meeting. It looks like I'll be
coming alone, if at all. Excuses have ranged from "previous
commitment" to "nothing will happen so long as Reigar is in
charge." With excuses like that, nothing will ever happen!

[stuff deleted]

Bob


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From Meazsport@aol.com Wed May 31 05:58:32 2000
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:57:58 EDT
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Bob

Based on what I have heard while I have been in Phoenix from the umpires
who work my events, for most it is the same old stuff.  However what
I have heard second hand and being attributed to Emily or the "ASA" umpires
they are pretty serious about not accepting assignments.  They feel the AIA
needs them more than they need the AIA.  While I respect some of their
concerns...baseball people working softball, having to work games across
town, the assigner not following the availability (sound familiar) I
personally believe the tactic of not accepting assignments is a waste of time.
Coaches will not stick up for umpires, and there are many people wh
would love to have Emily's AIA schedule.

To accomplish something you have to play in the system.  The AIA is
governed by different committees and boards.  The most effective
way would be to put together the concerns in writing, include what ever
documentation, and flood the AIA members representatives with this information,
then present it to the proper committee and or board who can actually take
action either by making the Commissioners follow the existing guidelines, or
creating new guidelines that would work.  I don't think the wheel has to be
invented if the existing rules were followed.

Hope this give you at least one person's insight.  Call me if you would
like. I will be home this morning.

Tom Carle 


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I think Emily has made some great points, be organized, not self serving,
defining what they really want.  Some of the problems again illustrate the
lack of communication with the AIA.  She also brings up one of the next
situations AIA will have to deal with, middle schools and in PHX,
freshman games for more money than varsity games.

Please keep me in the loop.

Tom Carle


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From umpire Tue Jun  6 16:12:01 2000
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Greg,

Has Bob given you a draft of the letter to Slemmer? I told the
Boys in Tucson I'd post it on the Web so they can comment on it.

Thanks,

Bob Marcialis
umpire@LPL.arizona.edu
http://www.LPL.arizona.edu/~umpire
http://www.LPL.arizona.edu/~umpire/softball/aiasoftball.html

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Bob, we will meet on Thursday the 8th and finalize the letter.  I will send
it to as soon as I can (possibly the 10th or the 12th of June).  Thanks again
for your support and concern.  I hope that we can rectify the problem, if
not, I hope that we will all walk!

Sincerely,

Greg

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From umpire Wed Jun  7 10:08:57 2000
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Greg,

So I don't get to see a draft copy for input? Oh well.

Bob

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From Smhscoach@aol.com Sun Jun 18 11:45:26 2000
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Bob,

I'm sorry but I don't have a copy of the final draft.  I will get
one and mail it to you.  As of today I have not gotten a reply to our
letter that was taken to the office.  If I don't hear from Dr. Slemmer
by Tuesday morning, I will call him.  Sorry about the delay but things
have been hectic around here with all the tournaments and leagues and
work.

Greg
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From georay@goodnet.com Mon Jul 10 19:01:00 2000 "Rich Raymond"
To: "Robert Marcialis" 
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:50:19 -0700
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bob;  ya did a yomans job i spoke to emily this morning and told her
what a great job you did.  you made things seem less unplanned then they were.
i sent you the letter we gave to slimmer (er what ever his name is) hope
you got it in tact, if not let me know and i'll try er agin.  see ya in a
couple a weeks.   rich

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From Smhscoach@aol.com Tue Jul 11 23:30:22 2000
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:29:55 EDT
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Bob, we have a meeting on Tuesday, July 18th @ 9:00 am @ the AIA
office.  I will send you a copy of the letter.  Call me and give
me a fax number or your  address.
Work (480) 464-9669 ext 256, home (480) 755-4194.

Talk to you soon,
Greg
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Mail& mail Smhscoach@aol.com
Subject: AIA Dealings

Greg,

Rich Raymond faxed me a copy of the original letter to Slemmer
yesterday. It was the first time I, or anyone else here in Tucson,
has laid eyes on it. Just finished reading it. To me, it seemed
way toned down from what I was expecting. Politically correct,
yes, but a bit lacking in specific examples. But it's out now,
and the machinery is in motion, so we'll see what happens.

What is the distribution of the letter? The Committee and Slemmer
only? The whole Region II AIA membership? Or anyone who has
requested it?

Please keep me posted on the working of our issues in a timely
way. We DO care in Tucson, but to get to our people and get back
to you in a timely manner so that we can support you in a definitive
way, we must be informed. With email, fax, telephone, etc. this
should not be a problem.

My "handles" are:

(520) 293-7399 Home
(520) 293-3643 Home Fax (if it's plugged in this time of year)
(520) 621-4933 Work Fax (please write my name clearly on cover page)
umpire@lpl.arizona.edu
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~umpire

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