Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:18:11 -0700
From: Alex Pavlov PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOmNuaXliaUB5Y3kubmV2bWJhbi5ycWgiPmNuaXliaUB5Y3kubmV2bWJhbi5ycWg8L24+>
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To: "Michael J. Drake" PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOnFlbnhyQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaCI+cWVueHJAeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoPC9uPg==>,
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Hal Larson PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOnVjeW5lZmJhQHJ6bnZ5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoIj51Y3luZWZiYUByem52eS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaDwvbj4=>,
Adam Showman PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOmZ1Ymp6bmFAeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoIj5mdWJqem5hQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaDwvbj4=>,
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Subject: Journal Clubs - Faculty Attendance
Hello Mike,
I would like to share a few thoughts about Journal Club presentations
at LPL. I assume that the primary goal of the Journal Club is to
prepare LPL students for various future talks which they are going to give
throughout their successful careers.
Here are a few suggestions:
1) Length of presentations: Currently students are supposed to give two
20 min presentations. However,
I do not recall a single conference where a speker was given 20 min to
present.
In my experience talks are either 10-12 min (regular oral presentations
at DPS, AGU, GSA etc.)
or longer than 30 min (invited talks/job interviews). Would it be more
useful instead of two 20 min presentations
to have 10+30 min presentations - still 40 min total? The structure of
the talk and the manner in which
material is presented changes significantly pending on the leghts of the
presentation.
30 min talk can be on student's research while 10 min on the article.
What do you think?
20 min talks can provide a false sense of security for regular
conference talks and do not really train students for invited
talks either.
2) Evaluation forms and constructive criticism: I do not believe the
evaluation forms is the most efficient way to
give feedback to students about their presentation. I looked through
them in the fall and 90% of the forms (mostly from students) are saying
the same - good job, excellent - encouraging but not specific. Several
times it was hard to write
evaluation because there is very little time between two talks of the
same Journal Club meeting.
In my opinion it would be beneficial for students if after each talk and
questions/answers, all audience will take 2-3 min to go over the
presentation slide by slide. This way a student gets instant feedback
and we do not miss any flaws (size of the figure,
color of the background etc.). This is how Brian Toon and a few other
faculty do it at CU and it was very helpful for me.
Regards,
Alexander Pavlov
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From: "Michael J. Drake" PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOnFlbnhyQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaCI+cWVueHJAeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoPC9uPg==>
Subject: Re: Journal Clubs - Faculty Attendance
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:24:59 -0700
To: Alex Pavlov PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOmNuaXliaUB5Y3kubmV2bWJhbi5ycWgiPmNuaXliaUB5Y3kubmV2bWJhbi5ycWg8L24+>
Cc: "Michael J. Drake" PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOnFlbnhyQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaCI+cWVueHJAeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoPC9uPg==>,
Roger Yelle PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOmxyeXlyQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaCI+bHJ5eXJAeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoPC9uPg==>,
Hal Larson PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOnVjeW5lZmJhQHJ6bnZ5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoIj51Y3luZWZiYUByem52eS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaDwvbj4=>,
Adam Showman PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOmZ1Ymp6bmFAeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoIj5mdWJqem5hQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaDwvbj4=>,
Grads PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOnRlbnFmQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaCI+dGVucWZAeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoPC9uPg==>,
Dante Lauretta PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOnluaGVyZ2duQHljeS5uZXZtYmFuLnJxaCI+eW5oZXJnZ25AeWN5Lm5ldm1iYW4ucnFoPC9uPg==>,
Joan Weinberg PG4gdWVycz0iem52eWdiOndqcnZhb3JlQGgubmV2bWJhbi5ycWgiPndqcnZhb3JlQGgubmV2bWJhbi5ycWg8L24+>
Alex - I assume that you are NOT responding to the April Fools Day
fake e-mail from me, but actually composed by the students. Bring
this up at the Faculty Meeting next Monday.
Grads - any thoughts?
Cheers -- Mike
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